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« Reply #20 on: Sunday, 18, November, 11:32 »

probably from the fact that nuclear waste is explosive?

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The government is facing a barrage of protest over its controversial decision to accept a shipment of nuclear waste from the former Soviet Union.

Politicians and environmentalists are expected to keep up hostile questioning on the issue after secret plans to import the consignment of uranium were published in an American newspaper

The Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, defended the government. He said the material was not highly radioactive, but highly explosive. He also stressed that the material would not be transformed into large volumes of highly radioactive waste.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/04/98/nuclear_waste/81801.stm

and then the "lying around" part comes from the organizing of a south australian site to store the nuclear waste of the country?

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South Australia to Become Nuclear Waste Dump
The Federal Government was accused yesterday of making South Australia a national nuclear-waste dump after it named an outback plateau as its preferred dump site.

A desert plateau north-west of Woomera in SA is the Federal Government's preferred location for a low-level nuclear dump.

Industry Minister Nick Minchin said site 52a, known as Evetts Field West, was located within the Woomera Prohibited Area, and was chosen after rigorous scientific evaluation.

It will now be subject to environmental assessment, along with two alternative sites, both located to the north-east of Woomera.

All three sites are more than 400km north of Adelaide.

SA Opposition environment spokesman John Hill said the state was now effectively one step closer to also being chosen as the site for medium-level nuclear waste.

"There is no other reason to create a single national dump for low-level waste," Mr Hill said.

"At present each state stores its own low-level waste.

"There is no reason why each state cannot create its own low-level dump for its own waste and continue to keep its own waste.

"But by creating a national dump hub in South Australia, this location announced today will become the obvious place to dump medium-level waste from the new [Sydneyl Lucas Heights reactor in the future."

The decision also prompted dread from conservationists, who condemned Senator Minchin's plan as a secret push to make the Woomera area a radioactive waste-dumping ground.

"If the Federal Government gets its way South Australia will become home to dll the radioactive rubbish in Australia, with plans to co-locate wastes from the Lucas Heights reactor adjacent to the burial site," Australian Conservation Foundation campaigner David Noonan said.

Plans for a dump were opposed by pastoral, Aboriginal and local community interests, he said.

"The Federal Government is trying to push an out-of-sightout-of-mind solution to a very real problem," Mr Noonan said.

"Long-term environmental threats cannot be safely dealt with by short-term politically driven answers."

Environmental assessment of the sites are expected to take about a year.

published in the Canberra Times 25 January 2001 p3. -- AAP

http://msowww.anu.edu.au/~peterson/SAnucleardump.html


i'm pretty sure thats where i got "explosive" and "lying around" from. thanks.
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« Reply #21 on: Sunday, 18, November, 11:40 »

but if you want more of the danger of nuclear power you can probably look into what happened in the reactor *explosion* at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in Ukraine.

which resulted in "highly radioactive fallout" drifting over Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Northern Europe, and eastern North America.

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Large areas in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia were badly contaminated, resulting in the evacuation and resettlement of over 336,000 people. According to official post-Soviet data,[1] about 60% of the radioactive fallout landed in Belarus.

but you know..thats hardly anything
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« Reply #22 on: Sunday, 18, November, 11:51 »

I don't disagree that nuclear power is not the best idea... but I am not sure that nuclear waste itself is explosive.

Chernobyl went "up" because of a nuclear reaction that ran out of control. Nuclear waste isn't in the process of reacting in the same way and so it is unlikely to "go up" with a bang in the same way.


However I would be cautious  about waste it that it remains radioactive and therefore potentially harmful for a period of time that extends beyond our capacity to effectively guarantee that it remains contained to a particular area.

Beyond that I have concerns about the dispossession of Indigenous people through the building of waste dumps on their land.

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« Reply #23 on: Monday, 19, November, 12:11 »

I don't disagree that nuclear power is not the best idea... but I am not sure that nuclear waste itself is explosive.

Chernobyl went "up" because of a nuclear reaction that ran out of control. Nuclear waste isn't in the process of reacting in the same way and so it is unlikely to "go up" with a bang in the same way.


However I would be cautious  about waste it that it remains radioactive and therefore potentially harmful for a period of time that extends beyond our capacity to effectively guarantee that it remains contained to a particular area.

Beyond that I have concerns about the dispossession of Indigenous people through the building of waste dumps on their land.



yeh it may have been a nuclear 'reaction' but honestly, theres no stopping that happening here.
and the outcome could be devastating
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« Reply #24 on: Monday, 19, November, 10:17 »

You can't have a perfect world.

If  you don't want to phase out coal and gas you have to go nuclear.

simple as that.
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« Reply #25 on: Monday, 19, November, 12:14 »

You can't have a perfect world.

If  you don't want to phase out coal and gas you have to go nuclear.

simple as that.

Yeah, that's right - make shitloads more money for the mining industry by pushing their line for them about how the sky will fall in if we don't go nuclear yesterday; put a highly toxic and weapons-capable by-product into the environment for millions of years to come; take back Aboriginal lands to make nuclear waste dumps; build nuclear power stations that (a) take years and miilions of dollars to come online, whilst Scandinavian countries who've been using nulcear for decades are decommissioning nuclear power stations and getting out of the industry; and (2) bring disaster if they melt down; etc., etc.

Or alternatively, the federal givernment could invest shitloads more money and seed-funding into alternative energy sources like wind and solar.

I dunno about you, but the simple option seems quite obviously to me to be the 2nd.

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« Reply #26 on: Monday, 19, November, 03:18 »

Quite frankly, I don't think Foreign Secretary Robin Cook knows a whole lot about nuclear waste and I wouldn't take his/her word alone on it. You want to tell me it's explosive, then tell me precisely what the waste it, and what it takes to make it explode.

A proper waste dump is in no way 'lying around'. If anything, the situation we have now is closer to lying around, with radioactive waste stored ad-hoc in universities and hospitals throughout the Adelaide metro area.

The threat of meltdown keeps getting brought up, but is it a real risk? There are currently 439 nuclear power stations worldwide. That's quite a lot, and several countries are building or planning to build new ones, including France and the USA. To my knowledge there have been less than a dozen serious criticality events worldwide, and not all of those were even in nuclear power stations. More people die in coal mines every year than have died due to nuclear power over its entire lifetime. A proven reactor design, well managed, and with proper oversight, is not a threat. (figures from Wikipedia)
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« Reply #27 on: Monday, 19, November, 10:29 »

Quite frankly, I don't think Foreign Secretary Robin Cook knows a whole lot about nuclear waste and I wouldn't take his/her word alone on it. You want to tell me it's explosive, then tell me precisely what the waste it, and what it takes to make it explode.

A proper waste dump is in no way 'lying around'. If anything, the situation we have now is closer to lying around, with radioactive waste stored ad-hoc in universities and hospitals throughout the Adelaide metro area.

The threat of meltdown keeps getting brought up, but is it a real risk? There are currently 439 nuclear power stations worldwide. That's quite a lot, and several countries are building or planning to build new ones, including France and the USA. To my knowledge there have been less than a dozen serious criticality events worldwide, and not all of those were even in nuclear power stations. More people die in coal mines every year than have died due to nuclear power over its entire lifetime. A proven reactor design, well managed, and with proper oversight, is not a threat. (figures from Wikipedia)

tbh.. i don't care for you opinions on it. nuclear power and coal are outdated sources of energy, and solar and wind power have no risk to anyone.
the numbers of power plants in the world wouldn't make it any less dangerous and wouldn't make it any less destructive if a nuclear reactor was to explode here.

but don't worry, its not 'likely' to happen to us.
but if it does explode and our atmosphere is filled with radioactive waste and pollution, you can tell your newly born deformed baby when it grows up that you thought it would be a good idea for our country. and in that case you might want to try to forget the fact that using renewable energy would have prevented it all from ever happening.
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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday, 21, November, 09:51 »


tbh.. i don't care for you opinions on it. nuclear power and coal are outdated sources of energy, and solar and wind power have no risk to anyone.
the numbers of power plants in the world wouldn't make it any less dangerous and wouldn't make it any less destructive if a nuclear reactor was to explode here.


No one source of electricity is perfect. My point was that nuclear power is pretty damn safe. All those decades, hundreds of plants, and only a handful of accidents, of which only a couple released anything dangerous to the wider environment. Chernobyl was a Soviet reactor with dodgy oversight and people who flouted the rules. One in England that released radioactivity was a military reactor. We would have neither corrupt Soviets nor the military in our reactors, should we build any.

Coal is cheap but dirty, and I agree we should phase it out.

Renewables need a lot of space, a lot of redundancy, and aren't yet very efficient. I fully support improving them and using them where practicable but I just don't think we can yet get rid of all coal and nuclear in favour of renewables.
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« Reply #29 on: Monday, 26, November, 04:53 »

imo

renewable energies are low on the powers that be lists, as no one stands to make shitloads of $$$  from it like they do from coal, uranium and other mining exploits.......




my 2c worth powered by the sun!  Grin


My own parents won't convert their house to solar cause it doesn't save them any  $$, even though they can afford to,   I am selling my house so I can downsize  to be able to go a bit greener....

Ahh the almighty $$  rules the world...




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